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Friday, December 30, 2005

NT Wright: Off to Hell in a Handcart

For those not familiar with the tabloids of the UK that phrase is a particular favourite of one of the most vile and I never thought I'd get chance to use it.

Anyway, I was informed of the following piece of hilarious news via an email and Chris Tilling's blog that NT Wright is going to burn for eternity! Now here are a couple of the most spectacular sections (fully available here) from the keyboard of C. Matthew McMahon:

I don't want to be misunderstood - so I'll try to be as clear as possible.

Wright is a heretic. A heresiarch. He will forever burn under God's righteous wrath and under the solemn and scornful gaze of the Lamb of God for all eternity if he does not change his theological views before he dies, or rather, his lack of good theology! He is a false teacher, and one of the most influential heretics of the century because he affected people at the seminary level - where pastors are trained and scholars born - and has infected a good number of churches, right down to the layman and youth of the day.

...Not only, then, is Wright theologically ridiculous...

...Now, if this is not the epitome of stupidity in "explaining" the Gospel, I don't know what is. It is denying, straightway, justification, which makes Wright, as I said, a HERETIC.

...He says, "Justification, at the last, will be on the basis of performance, not possession." (Wright, Romans, 440).

...This is Romanism repackaged.

..."[Faith] is the God-given badge of membership, neither more nor less." (Wright, Saint Paul, 160) Wright is so akin to this, that he thinks that Roman Catholics and Protestants should be having "Eucharistic fellowship" together (cf. Wright, Saint Paul, 159)


For a good summary of Wright's nonsensical, anti-Christian and heretical position, read Guy Water's 9 points in his work "Justification and the New Perspectives on Paul, pages 148-149.

Joseph, you are being plagued by this man who is taking down many young in the faith to hell with him by his heretical views which basically gut the Gospel of any power, spit on Christ's work, and destroy the orthodox doctrine of justification as it has been taught throughout the history of the church.

I'm sure you'll agree, all top stuff and it has certainly made my Christmas. I was right all along he is wrong! (Disclaimer: not sure if C. Matthew McMahon will agree with the first half of the previous sentence and I'm not sure if I have too much of an opinion on the whole justification issue but so what, eh?).

That said, even though I profoundly disagree with Wright on many historical and exegetical details and certain modern day social issues, I can't help but feel that his burning for all eternity is just a touch harsh.


Anonymous steph said...

..a touch harsh..? no, not really - although there are a few others you could toss in with him to keep him company.

December 30, 2005

Blogger Michael F. Bird said...

I did not think I would live to see the day - James Crossley come to the defence to NTW! I shall have to check the BBC weather update to see if hell has frozen over or if Miss Piggy has learned how to fly.

December 30, 2005

Anonymous Noelinho said...

James, are you ill? Perhaps I should bring you a copy of 'The Challenge of Jesus' so you can burn it.

Oh, wait... I banished it to a far-flung loft months ago. Sorry, no can do, it's at least 400 miles away.


December 30, 2005

Blogger James Crossley said...

Oh come on you two, it's not the strongest defence. Don't let people get THAT impression.

December 31, 2005

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the insights into Empty Wright (couldn't resist this). BTW, the current, bestselling "heresy" here in the States is Escapism Rapturism a la Tim (Left Behind) LaHaye-odicean. To see newly emerging data on his 175-year-old "rapture" go to Yahoo and type in "Pretrib Rapture Diehards" (while noting LaHaye's hypocrisy under the year "1992"). What will emerge next - a new church for Christian Satanists? Jon

January 04, 2006

Blogger T.B. Vick said...

Wow, I am trying to actually figure out who died and made Matthew McMahon God?

Fortunately, I can rest in the fact that only God can and will correctly judge who will be in hell, and that this is certainly not the task of Matthew McMahon.

January 04, 2006

Anonymous steph said...

"..rest in the fact"? aw hell and I didn't believe it was true!

January 04, 2006

Blogger James Fletcher Baxter said...

The missing element in every human 'solution' is
an accurate definition of the creature.

The way we define 'human' determines our view
of self, others, relationships, institutions, life, and
future. Important? Only the Creator who made us
in His own image is qualified to define us accurately.
Choose wisely...there are results.

Many problems in human experience are the result of
false and inaccurate definitions of humankind premised
in man-made religions and humanistic philosophies.

Each individual human being possesses a unique, highly
developed, and sensitive perception of diversity. Thus
aware, man is endowed with a natural capability for enact-
ing internal mental and external physical selectivity.
Quantitative and qualitative choice-making thus lends
itself as the superior basis of an active intelligence.

Human is earth's Choicemaker. His title describes
his definitive and typifying characteristic. Recall
that his other features are but vehicles of experi-
ence intent on the development of perceptive
awareness and the following acts of decision and
choice. Note that the products of man cannot define
him for they are the fruit of the discerning choice-
making process and include the cognition of self,
the utility of experience, the development of value-
measuring systems and language, and the accultur-
ation of civilization.

The arts and the sciences of man, as with his habits,
customs, and traditions, are the creative harvest of
his perceptive and selective powers. Creativity, the
creative process, is a choice-making process. His
articles, constructs, and commodities, however
marvelous to behold, deserve neither awe nor idol-
atry, for man, not his contrivance, is earth's own
highest expression of the creative process.

Human is earth's Choicemaker. The sublime and
significant act of choosing is, itself, the Archimedean
fulcrum upon which man levers and redirects the
forces of cause and effect to an elected level of qual-
ity and diversity. Further, it orients him toward a
natural environmental opportunity, freedom, and
bestows earth's title, The Choicemaker, on his
singular and plural brow.

Human is earth's Choicemaker. Psalm 25:12 He is by
nature and nature's God a creature of Choice - and of
Criteria. Psalm 119:30,173 His unique and definitive
characteristic is, and of Right ought to be, the natural
foundation of his environments, institutions, and re-
spectful relations to his fellow-man. Thus, he is orien-
ted to a Freedom whose roots are in the Order of the

Let us proclaim it. Behold!
The Season of Generation-Choicemaker Joel 3:14 KJV


April 13, 2006

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally I feel very sorry for people whose voices, raised, as they think, on behalf of Christ, show none of the grace, decency or compassion of Christ. Some don't seem willing to speak the truth in love, or consider that the only people who are Christians are those whose doctrine agrees with theirs. This is nowhere near a practising doctrine of justification by faith - it's closer to justification by doctrine. 'Sola doctrine". What about "judge not, lest you be judged"? Consider that Peter and Paul had conflicts of doctrine in regards to the Jewish observances - does that mean one of them went to hell for being a heretic?
Whether or not you agree with his doctrine, if you doubt the veracity of N.T.Wright's faith and Christian character, listen to him speak and listen to him pray, talk to the people who have found new faith and hope and trust in Christ and God through his message - as Jesus asked of his critics, are those the works of Beelzebub; can Beelzebub work against himself? "By their fruits ye shall know them".

August 13, 2007

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the above comment. NT Wright is a passionate man of God who loves Jesus and loves people. He brings great contributions to the body of Christ.

October 13, 2007

Blogger This is Me said...

Are you guys Baptist...? I do not see how Wright has in any way infringed on a biblical view of justification. Wright has always held that Scripture should interpret tradition, not your tradition interpreting scripture. It seems like some of you are holding so tightly to what you think you know that you are unwilling, or unable, to be willing to think outside of your traditional flavor, in order to look at the scripture itself in the context it was written in and judge for yourselves in what sense it can best be understood. I do not agree with all of Wright's views, but he does an excellent job of showing the very Biblical idea that in many senses Christians will be judged according to thier work. That does not mean that salvation is dependent upon ones work, but works are, and have always been, the working out of salvation. It should not be a far stretch to think that a true Christian lives as one. Christ work on the cross is our reconciliation with God. Wright's point of the judicial system is a valid one. Wright's view on justification is not that we are saved by our own works. It is that Jesus work on the cross is the basis for our right relationship with God. Wright said in his book Paul In a Fresh Perspective that what was true of Christ is true of us. I do not think that Wright denies the fact that our salvation is dependent on the fact that we have made Jesus the Lord of our life. Wright's point is more that the term justification has been being used to carry more than what it was intended to carry. That does not mean that we do not recieve from Christ all spiritual inheritances.

October 29, 2007

Blogger Scott Starr said...

Perhaps these word should be considered before one declares a fellow Christian is hellbound;

Romans 2
God's Righteous Judgment
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God "will give to each person according to what he has done." 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

July 16, 2008

OpenID rysrf said...

this is the lamest blog I have ever seen.
(1) who are you christians that are wasting your time writing ridiculous responses to an excerpt you dont understand (and I can guarantee that you dont, because if you did, you wouldnt be spending your time saying "who died and made you God?").

(2) N.T. Wright has more scholarship in the pen he uses to write his thoughts than any person here criticizing them. First GO and learn what it means to devote yourselves wholeheartedly to something for 30 years and not just devote in the "i like this a lot sense" but in the "everything that I say and do is criticized and have to make sure I back my points academically, historically, and scripturally sense, while others read it thinking that they know more because they "love God" and have some of the bible, sense."

(3) Thank God for his sovereignty, that He would place a man that cares about Pauline scholarship enough to spur others on to think about it and not read it from a 21st century, post-modern, how i read the bible is whats important perspective.

(4) I bet if any of those people who are actually considered "critics of Tom Wright" read what you people have written, they would be greatly embarrassed.

(5) james fletcher baxter - what did you just post. obviously, you used this forum as some sort of showcase to not only exploit yourself at N.T.Wright's behalf, but...its terrible. How has nobody written that back. I mean it is really awful. It is the farthest thing from being theologically sound, but poetically, structurally, and linguistically it is horrible uninspiring. You should be ashamed, not for posting it here, but for feeling as though its worth posting.

(6) Thank you for reading this.

August 18, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really wonder about the blogs and the vitrolic acid that is written. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Seems to be a lot of people who see themselves being without sin. From Down Under

May 03, 2010


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