Another quick response...on Aramaisms
Doug Chaplin this time...and could I possibly forgive the comment on Man U (cf. Mk 3:28-29)?
It all really involves Aramaisms. Doug says:
I was taken to task in the comments by James Crossley (what can you expect from a Man U fan?) who sees Aramaisms as absolutely vital for historical Jesus research. As I pointed out there:
"I am not remotely convinced that Aramaisms have any significant place in historical Jesus research. First, I think that the language of the Septuagint distorts the whole question. Second, I can imagine a Jesus-saying that actually enters the Greek tradition well-translated by a fluently bilingual follower of Jesus showing little trace of the source language. Thirdly I can imagine a saying of Jesus made up by an Aramaic speaking follower."
1,2 and 3 are correct, though, there are other, far better arguments than those in favour of Aramaisms not touched upon by Sanders and Meier (Doug refers to these) though to be fair there has been important stuff written since the two wrote their comments. But anyway, he is not answering anything I said so no need to continue on that.
On Mike Bird's blog (on the 12 Worst Ideas post), Doug also said,
I think I'm astounded by James Crossley's comment. (Not the Son of Man bit: it's a place where discussion of Aramaic idiom has a significnat place). I am not remotely convinced that Aramaisms have any significant place in historical Jesus research.
I hope poor Doug did not fall off his chair or anything like that in his astonishment. But he should not have done! For, once again, I did not make any judgement on Aramaisms, except for the son of man problem and how it is requires a concept of Aramaisms and Doug agreed with that. This is all I said:
On Aramaisms (Doug's no. 5), the son of man problem and the historical Jesus would be impossible without the concept of Aramaisms.
I do have views on Aramaisms but I haven't said much so I'll keep quiet for now. Just to say, that again poor old me has been told I've said something I haven't (I don't recall ever saying they were absolutely vital or anything like that!) in the space of a couple of days. But I'm strong, I think I can cope...
Anyway, it is all a welcome relief from these ******* floods now typical of the ******* English summer.